Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Why Can't Pharmacists Prescribe?



I have long wondered to myself, "Why can't pharmacists prescribe?"


The immediate answer is usually "Well they dispense medication and the physician prescribes them. It's always that way, checks and balances!"


It is hard to argue with a system that has been in place for such a long time, but really ask yourself "Why can't the medical professional who is the most focused on medications not prescribe them?" Doesn't that make some sense? If nothing else at LEAST the pharmacists with PharmD degrees have enough education to prescribe, hence why it is a terminal degree in medicine.


To me it just makes sense that an MD or prescriber would write a diagnosis on a prescription and a pharmacist would then select the correct medication for the patient based upon the prescribers diagnosis. Just include all patient labs with the prescription and I can easily come up with a good solution. That is the whole point of earning a PharmD degree (yes the D stands for doctorate!). Many times a day I have to call a prescriber's office to get a medication switched to something else for a variety of reasons. Never mind the amount of times I have to call due to drug interactions or another circumstance in which I give the prescriber my personal opinion on which medication would work for the patient. Doesn't this mean I am basically prescribing for the patient anyways?


Most MD's will admit that even though they know medication they do, to some degree, rely on pharmacists to a good extent. Personally, I catch, on average, 4 significant drug interactions and 8-10 people who are abusing, in some fashion, a controlled substance. On a daily basis I also see upwards of 25-40 patients a day who are not taking their medication correctly or run out of medication while waiting to hear from the physician, nurse practitioner or whoever else prescribes their medications. Many times this is because of cost issues, insurance prior authorizations or wait times to see the prescriber.

With so many patients who are not taking the medications or not taking them correctly, why can't pharmacists use their professional judgement to prescribe a similar medication that is less expensive, is easier to use or cover the period until the patient can see their prescriber? This is a minimal level of prescribing that can save an untold amount of money to the health care system, save the professionals the cost of time dealing with these issues, improve patient adherence and improve overall health care?


Recently there was an article published by the New England Health Institute (NEHI) that reported how non-adherence to medication costs $290 billion to the United States. (Link)


$290,000,000,000!


That's almost equivalent to what the United States spends on medication, which is $307 billion. (Link) That's a lot of wasted money! Money that could be saved by simple adherence to a drug regimen. Even if measures to improve drug adherence cost $100 billion that still saves $190 billion AND improve the overall healthcare provided.


I feel that pharmacists should be able to prescribe if nothing else in a limited role that could help improve healthcare and save money. A pharmacist can note if a patient is not getting their refills on time and counsel the patient as to why. Taking this into consideration the pharmacist could prescribe something that might work better for that patient. Even if a medication costs a little bit more but improves compliance (such as metoprolol ER versus metoprolol) the cost would improve the patient compliance and improve outcomes down the road, thus saving money overall.


This limited prescribing could also lead to changes in some brand name medications to alternative generics or switching a medication entirely if a patient complains of side effects that are limiting the daily activities or causing them other issues that warrant attention. In many cases, does a patient really need to see a prescriber just to get a medicine like naproxen 500mg or to get a prenatal vitamin? These simple medications could be addressed by a pharmacist very easily. All we need is the ability to bill for our services. This charge would be less that MD's and on par with most nurse practitioners, while increasing access to care from an equally qualified practitioner.


The major issue here is communication with the prescriber, which would require some sort of notification sent from the pharmacy to the physician.


Some people may say that medication therapy management (MTM's) is the same thing, yet many physicians who I have either talked to or worked with feel that MTM's are a way to micromanage their practice. MTM's also don't address the urgency that some patients may need or the waiting time to see the prescriber. Personally, I like the idea of MTM's but really feel there needs a prescribing aspect to them to make them excel.




A point that people may point at is the potential for a conflict on interest by the pharmacist to prescribe medications they make a higher profit from. This is a legitimate concern, however, most insurances have prior authorizations in place to stop the use of more expensive medications. If a pharmacist couldn't get these medications covered, they would defeat the purpose of their prescribing role, which is to save money. Also, most generic medications result in higher profits for pharmacies due to the lower cost, hence this is another incentive for pharmacists to prescribe generics. The system already has measures in place that would help pharmacists focus on providing optimal care while keeping the cost of medications low.


Another thing that I find ironic to my point is the hospital system. Many pharmacists will switch medications to similar ones in a hospital because the medication the prescriber wrote for is not on formulary. Wait, isn't that similar to limited prescribing? Why can't all pharmacists do this? Isn't this just further validation of the point that pharmacists should be able to prescribe, especially since it saves money?


Let me also clarify that I am not advocating for pharmacists to replace physicians, especially specialists. They clearly have an important role in providing healthcare. I am advocating for expanding the practice of pharmacy as a way to decrease total healthcare expenditures while improving care. Isn't that one of the major focuses by EVERY political party right now?


I am extremely interested in feedback on this and look forward to hearing from others on it.

49 comments:

  1. Isn't it a little bit ironic that the drug experts of the healthcare world aren't typically involved in prescribing the very compounds they spends years studying? I don't see pharmacists prescribing as a real threat to physicians but maybe that is why there has been resistance to the idea so far? The fact of the matter is that physician training is focused on diagnosis of disease and less centered around proper treatment. Pharmacists could fill a valuable role of proper and appropriate prescribing of medications if we would only have that chance. It is starting to happen with the advent of collaberative practice agreements, but our roles as prescribers could be expanded greatly.

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  2. As a pharmacy tech studying to become a doctor I could not agree more. The average med student has A semester, just one, on pharmacology. To me that's scary that after little exposure to medication, a doctor then is expected to diagnose a range of illnesses and prescribe the best medication for that diagnosis. Any retail pharmacist (or tech) can tell you how many times the prescriber has to change the medication due to the factors mentioned above on a daily basis!! Why not make healthcare less complicated and allow those who study medications for FOUR years decide the correct drug and have the prescribes who study human disease and diagnosis for FOUR (give or take) years decide the correct diagnosis.

    Needless to say I always talk to my pharmacist about my diagnosis and take her suggestion of drug to my DR BEFORE she prescribes a product....(Esp after a urgent care Dr told me she'd only prescribe Bactrim for my UTI --even after much protest-- because Bactrim is the only drug that can fight off a UTI with a high nitrate conc in urine. Google that one newbies!!!)

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    1. As an MD I can say that my pharmacology course extended over an entire year and that at least half of the courses in my 2 pre-clinical years also involved education regarding medications. Medications were a huge part of the clinical years including my 2 years as a med student, my year as an intern and my 3 years as a resident. Not so much during my year of post-residency fellowship training. Microbiology includes the study of antibiotics, resistance, side effects and proper medication prescribing. Physiology and pathophysiology courses teach how the body systems operate and what can go wrong but they also involve education on the treatment of disease including a huge amount of material on pharmacologic therapy. It is the comprehensive nature of medical education that gives the physician the advantage in regards to prescribing medication, therapies, surgery, etc. A pharmacist has not been exposed to the many medical and surgical subspecialties to be able to fully counsel on the best approach to an individual patient. At our hospital we have an MTM clinic and I am appalled to see that pharmacists are now ordering physical therapy. They do not review mri's, perform a physical exam, access spine stability and yet they are ordering very generic PT. This is analogous to a nurse telling a patient with pain to take "pain medicine".

      I have great respect for the pharmacists I work with and hope the physician-pharmacist relationhip will always remain solid but in this case I think there are pharmacists prescribing who unfortunately do not know what they do not know and therefore see themselves as equally qualified to treat disease. If medications were the only consideration I might agree with this and in the case of anticoagulation, antibiotics, etc that is pretty close to true. In the case of complex disease management, merely being fantastic with medications and side effects, etc is not enough.

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    2. I myself am a pharmacist and totally agree with you, Dr. Tolan. My pharmacy training totally focused on chemistry, biochemistry, pharmacology, etc. But as far as how the human body works in a clinical sense, I have no real formal training. Assessment and diagnosis are also part of the equation and come well before treatment. Pharmacists, on a day-in-and-day-out basis, are not trained assess let alone diagnose. So I do not think that, fundamentally, pharmacists can realistically be trained to be prescribing practitioners. A pharmacist will ALWAYS think to use medications first. It is our nature. But we are not trained when NOT to use them. My dad, a physician, always told me, "Medicine is an art, not a science." Even some physicians are not perfect in the art. Multiple things could be going on in a patient. It takes training to consider them all. Treating one disease state could affect the patient in other ways. So I don't think the pharmacist prescribing issue is as cut and dry as some pharmacists think.

      Nurses are trained how to clinically observe and assess the human body. They are trained how to ask the right questions to get the information they need and chart it appropriately. Their training is not solely medication-oriented, but more encompassing and includes, but is not limited to, splints, bandages, ports, iv insertion, EKG application and interpretation, plus assessment and triage. They are trained to see things on the human body. Nurses are trained more in the "art" of medicine and medical procedures than pharmacists. Therefore, I do not think there is that much of a big of a leap for a nurse to be a prescribing practitioner as some people think.

      As far as pharmacists saving money, I agree generic or formulary substitutions save money; but as far as salary is concerned, if I was a hospital or health system, I would rather pay a cheaper nurse to do the same job a prescribing pharmacist would do.

      A Nurse Practitioner or a Physician Assistant only requires a masters level degree. A pharmacist today has to get a doctorate. More initials after your name doesn't necessarily qualify you to prescribe. It takes the correct training. I fear that some may have fallen into the college-promoted trap that having "PharmD" after your name qualifies you to clinically do something more.

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  3. I totally agree it's past time for pharmacists to be given prescribing authority, at least on a limited basis. There are so many instances where a pharmacist could make the decision to appropriately select and prescribe from a limited formulary of medications for a number of common disease states.

    Pharmacists receive more intensive training and are more qualified to make decisions regarding appropriate medication therapy than most nurse practitioners or physicians assistants I know, and probably more qualified than many MDs as well.

    Prescribing authority is given to MDs, NPs and PAs, in my opinion, after receiving basic training algorithms to assist them in making prescribing decisions based on their diagnosis. They don't receive near the training or knowledge base in pharmacology, pharmacokinetics, adverse drug reactions and drug interactions that should be used in the drug prescribing process. They are also somewhat dependent on and easily swayed by the influence of pharmaceutical sales and marketing efforts, something which pharmacists are able to sort through by throwing out the hype and making better clinical decisions based on rational therapeutic approaches.

    And, from what I have seen, most prescribers are easily swayed by their patients as well. All of the direct to consumer pharma advertising has created a patient population who go the the doctor with their expectations of what should be prescribed... and sometimes get upset when they don't get what they want!

    Pharmacist prescribing would expedite patient care and lower the cost of care by facilitating or streamlining the process of finding the correct medication and dose to reach and maintain therapeutic goals. This would tie in very well with a medication therapy management type of pharmacy practice that monitors new medications and makes changes or adjustments quickly and efficiently based on patient response to therapy.

    All this would help to reduce costs associated with patient medication therapy,improve and streamline the process of reaching therapeutic goals, aid in assisting, educating and counseling patients to ensure compliance and adherence to drug therapy and improve patient outcomes.

    The PharmD vs. BSPharm status for prescribing authority will need to be addressed in some manner. Pharmacists were making decisions regarding appropriate medication selection and use decades ago. It wasn't until the prescriber and dispenser functions began to change that pharmacists began to lose the authority to 'prescribe' all but those medications given OTC status. Generally speaking, most RPhs have as much knowledge and decision making skills when it comes to prescribing as those who prescribe the prescription orders they fill and dispense. Same with PharmDs.

    Yes, it is time for pharmacists to be given prescribing authority, if even on a limited basis. I would expect that this authority would be expanded after a year or two of monitoring said prescribing authority based on the positive outcomes we would see.

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    1. I cured an ulcer of 6 (six) centimeters (3.2 inches) of a patient who saw 8 (eight) physicians.
      I am Pharm.D. and Ph.D. and I developed formulas for regressing or healing about 30 incurable diseases. I will cite some of them: GERD (gastroesophageal reflux disease), gastritis and giant ulcers (over 3.0 cm). Please see my papers published in JOURNAL OF PINEAL RESEARCH in 2006:

      http://www.healthy-eating-politics.com/support-files/protexid-paper-1.pdf

      http://www.healthy-eating-politics.com/support-files/protexid-paper-2.pdf

      So, Let pharmacists prescribe drugs. That´s all.
      My students are solving problems that experienced physicians can not do.

      Prof. Dr. Ricardo de Souza Pereira, Pharm.D., Ph.D.
      Professor of Clinics and Therapeutics
      Professor of Pharmacodynamics
      School of Pharmacy
      University of Amapa
      Brazil

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  4. Thanks to you all for the input and feedback. It's amazing to me that there isn't more of a push for this. Hopefully, this will change!

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  5. This is a really helpful site. You have some great ideas.You ask some good questions here and bring up some interesting points. Thanks.

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  6. Pharmacists should have the discretion to fill partial prescriptions. My Doctor has left me high and dry with no pain medication, Basically he is a negligent Doctor. A phamacist should be able to fill a partial does when this occurs.

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  8. The only down side to this is that it could be tempting for a pharmacist to skim narcotics from their patients. I do believe this should be a joint decision, maybe the pharmacist should advise the physician once receiving all pt information. Once an agreed plan is made the actual prescription should still come from the physician.....
    My last thought is when would the pharmacist have time to do all of this work? Physician notes are just that, brief notes. Those notes do not reflect the face to face time with the patient. There are individual personality traits and interactions that are not noted, they are just derived from the years of the Dr./pt relationship and are hard to put to paper. The physician is treating a person NOT a chart, if the pharmacist does the prescribing they are not treating anything more than a chart.

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    1. I completely agree with this. Even though pharmacists know more about drugs, the do not have access to any information about the patient besides the simple diagnosis. There can be so many reasons why two patients with the same diagnosis should be prescribed two different drugs based on their past medical history, family history, social conditions etc. These are things that physicians are trained to take into consideration during diagnosis and prescription, so unless they write down absolutely everything for the pharmacist, the pharmacist would only be treating the symptoms and not the person. Even then, there would be a bigger chance of communication error because the pharmacist did not get the information from the patient first hand. So in my opinion let the same person who handles the first 80% of the process handle the last 20%..and pharmacists can just focus on the drugs and use their expertise to make sure that the drugs prescribed by the physicians aren't causing any harm.

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    2. anonymous. you hit the nail on the head pharmacist have the information about a patient or should . I would hate going to someone that doesn.t know my particular health information and prescribing me a drug. As of today 9/24/14 that is what exactly happened to me . I was told by my physician that he was prescribing me vicodan with some antibiotics for my severe gum infection after my tooth extraction. I was also told he would call it in so when I got there it would be ready. long story short the pharmacist after filling out my prescription told me to stand in line I waited until I was told to step up the pharmacist told me how I was to take this medication and sent me on my way. He never mentioned that he had substituted the prescription from the brand prescribed by my physician. Well when I returned home I look at my prescription and notice this was not what my Dr. prescribed I was furious and called the pharmacist and asked him who gave him a right to change my prescription? He said something about my health insurance. I told him I don' have health insurance and that I am paying for my medication on my own. He then decides he want to give me a $5.00 coupon for something. I told him that he had nerve switching my medication without my permission and that I want the prescription that my physician had originally prescribed. He said he would contact my physician. In the meanwhile I was stuck with no pain meds this night ouch. To me I feel belittled. oh, and I have been to nursing school and studied about medicine on my own as far back as I could read. Not to mention the articles that have come out of pharmacist not prescribing the right dosages of patient medication. I think they should leave well enough alone. the system is not broke don't fix it improve. In this country we have to many trying to do and be everything could this be why there are so many law suits and a clash in government? Let pharmacist be pharmacist and physicians, physicians gee.

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  9. The simple answer to why can't pharmacists prescribe is that they lack the appropriate education. A physician spends time in medical school learning about how to treat the patient and not just their symptoms. The focus of pharmacy school is different and although they might have more drug knowledge, their education is not focused on diagnosing the patient. With the way the education system is setup, physicians are much more qualified to prescribe.

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    1. I am Pharm.D. and Ph.D. and I developed formulas for regressing or healing about 30 incurable diseases. I will cite some of them: GERD (gastroesophageal reflux disease), gastritis and giant ulcers (over 3.0 cm). Please see my papers published in JOURNAL OF PINEAL RESEARCH in 2006:

      http://www.healthy-eating-politics.com/support-files/protexid-paper-1.pdf

      http://www.healthy-eating-politics.com/support-files/protexid-paper-2.pdf

      So, Let pharmacists prescribe drugs. That´s all.
      My students are solving problems that experienced physicians can not do.

      Prof. Dr. Ricardo de Souza Pereira, Pharm.D., Ph.D.
      Professor of Clinics and Therapeutics
      Professor of Pharmacodynamics
      School of Pharmacy
      University of Amapa
      Brazil

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  10. And then there are the patients who watch the direct to consumer tv commercials and they think they know what the doctor should prescribe.

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  11. I am Pharm.D. and Ph.D. and I developed formulas for regressing or healing about 30 incurable diseases. One of them is gastroenterological disorders: GERD (gastroesophageal reflux disease), gastritis and ulcers. Please see my papers published in JOURNAL OF PINEAL RESEARCH:
    http://www.healthy-eating-politics.com/support-files/protexid-paper-1.pdf

    http://www.healthy-eating-politics.com/support-files/protexid-paper-2.pdf

    So, Let pharmacists prescribe drugs. That´s all.
    Prof. Dr. Ricardo de Souza Pereira, Pharm.D., Ph.D.
    Professor of Clinics and Therapeutics
    Professor of Pharmacodynamics
    School of Pharmacy
    University of Amapa
    Brazil

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  12. Start a Pharmedical school maybe? Are you kidding me? There is a reason why there is a medical school and a pharmacy school. Lets see why pharmacists do not need prescribing rights:
    1. Liability: we are otherwise saving asses of doctors,NPs who don't write legibly or who are ignorant of drug interactions/problems that the patient could have from taking drugs
    2.I don't want to pay large taxes nor do I want to pay 10,000 dollars and more on liability insurance.
    3. Get a life and learn to respect your area of expertise and be good at that than wanting to take more responsibilities and have no life. As it is we are under so much pressure.
    I understand that we need some sort of prescribing authority like partial fills or refills but not more than that, because we do not know half the things that goes on in the human body like a doctor does. I don't think I want to spend 15 years in school studying pharmacy to get a prescribing license and a pharmd. No thanks. I'd love to tackle problems rather.

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    1. how ignorant is your comment?!!! wow
      15 more years of medical school, where are you getting all this information !!!

      M.D and DO go through 4 years just like Pharm.D and then additional 2 -3 years of residency depending on the area!
      so many of Pharm.D s also go through residency.

      This article does not argue diagnosis, rather drug therapy. In California, Pharmacist already have prescribing authority as a collaborative practice.

      I am the clinical Pharm.D. for Healthcare Partners In our setting Primary physicians diagnose pts with for example diabetes, hyperlipidemia, HTN, and or a need for anticoagulation. Then they refer the pt to my services which is considered speciality service just like referring a patient from primary to dermatology and neurology which are all in the same section. I then independently manage the pt, change medication or dosage, order labworks and based on the results implement new therapy or change therapy or dosage. Give pre-operation plans.

      reading your comments really amazed me!!!!!

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    2. I wish this happens all over the world soon.

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  14. I found this blog because I've coming off a one-week Rx for prednisone. Same dosage every day. Now nothing. Let me tell you how I'm feeling...maybe not.

    How many physicians EVER order the blood tests that are advised before and after prescribing any number of medications? I'd like to see a study on that.

    I am now convinced that my physician has absolutely no idea what she is doing when it comes to prescribing medications. The problem is, if you're severely ill, you hardly feel like you can say - Excuse me - I want to check this medication out on the Internet.

    But I have to ask why more pharmacists don't intervene as you, thankfully, do.

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  15. As an MD I can say that my pharmacology course extended over an entire year and that at least half of the courses in my 2 pre-clinical years also involved education regarding medications. Medications were a huge part of the clinical years including my 2 years as a med student, my year as an intern and my 3 years as a resident. Not so much during my year of post-residency fellowship training. Microbiology includes the study of antibiotics, resistance, side effects and proper medication prescribing. Physiology and pathophysiology courses teach how the body systems operate and what can go wrong but they also involve education on the treatment of disease including a huge amount of material on pharmacologic therapy. It is the comprehensive nature of medical education that gives the physician the advantage in regards to prescribing medication, therapies, surgery, etc. A pharmacist has not been exposed to the many medical and surgical subspecialties to be able to fully counsel on the best approach to an individual patient. At our hospital we have an MTM clinic and I am appalled to see that pharmacists are now ordering physical therapy. They do not review mri's, perform a physical exam, access spine stability and yet they are ordering very generic PT. This is analogous to a nurse telling a patient with pain to take "pain medicine".

    I have great respect for the pharmacists I work with and hope the physician-pharmacist relationhip will always remain solid but in this case I think there are pharmacists prescribing who unfortunately do not know what they do not know and therefore see themselves as equally qualified to treat disease. If medications were the only consideration I might agree with this and in the case of anticoagulation, antibiotics, etc that is pretty close to true. In the case of complex disease management, merely being fantastic with medications and side effects, etc is not enough.

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  16. As a nurse, I'm the one that gives the medications the providers prescribe at the hospital and have had long conversations with the pharmacists I work with to try and work out better solutions for our patients.

    The triad of Physician-Nurse-Pharmacist seems to work well where I work, but I still think that the PharmD should have more authority in guiding the prescription process -- Especially for DC instructions. It could save the patient money, heartache, and side effects in my view. I often learn more from the PharmD than the MD/DO staff when it comes to treatment modalities.

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  17. I agree with you. I just cant understand whaht's the point of studying 5 year long Pharmacy degree and not getting the permission to prescribe medication. I think we Pharmacist know much more about drug interactions & their adverse effects than Physicians. No doubt Physicians are expert in diagnosis but Pharmacist should be given authority to prescribe medication.My personal opinion is that, after Pharm-D there should be a specialization in drugs of particular system for example cvs drugs.And that Pharmacist should sit with Physician (Cardiologist) and prescribe medicine and diagnose the disease respectively.

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  18. I'm sorry but you people are completely insane. The reason you have to call Doctors and change prescriptions is because you have a nice and handy computer sitting next to you that gives the doctor a checks and balance because many times a patient will be prescribed by more than one doctor. Furthermore, doctors study chemistry of the human body. You people simply make the meds ; you have no knowledge of a patients history and have not even the closest idea of making decisions that regards a patients life. Doctors spend years and years of being able to recognize even the smallest fractions of change in a patients over all review of systems. The evaluation of the over all change in time of the bodies chemical functions and the ability to use medicines because of in depth knowledge of how to maintain the over all homeostatic functions takes years to master. Some retard Pharmacist comes along and because he looks at a chart is going to all of a sudden think that they have a clue on the true cause and effect of medicine simply because you know how to make the medicine??? Just because a chef can bake a cake doesn't mean that he knows specifically what the cakes end molecular metobolic function will be or for that matter how the person's specific metabolism is like. You people are crazy. There's a reason why we work in hospitals and you all work in wal-mart. If you don't like it go med school.

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    1. Simply make the medicine...wow...hats off to your thoughts...if its so simple why don't you make a medicine tomorrow and market it...after all it will be a great profit for you right with with this (simple) idea...and no thanks for your advice but we are always proud to be a pharmacist just the thing is we were discussing about a right which must have logically and you interrupted in between without any knowledge about it.

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  20. The pharmacist is not a doctor, he knows nothing about the treatment of people. Pharmacist Specialist drugs and their use. In some cases, it may recommend medication. When you're sick, why you are applying to a doctor, not a pharmacist?

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    1. I think its better for you to correct your knowledge and then interrupt. For your kind information the treatment guidelines for each diseases developed by pharmacists and there are always open drug information services by pharmacists for physicians so they don't go wrong in treatment. People are applying to physicians because their law asks them to and ofcourse before treatment diagnosis is required (vise versa). Last but not the least PHARMACISTS ARE DOCTORS and you are no one to disapprove this.

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  21. Interesting. I see a common thread of pharmacists, and patients, wondering why pharmacists can't prescribe medication, yet completely overlook that without Physician Office Records, they have no information about the patient, and haven't done any hands on review or assessment...why? Because they aren't taught that. If a pharmacist really does think he can manage my health better than my physician with prescriptions, I would have to say that all you are looking at is a list of prescriptions, no my health record. And the point of confidentiality of my health record is so that everyone doesn't get to keep a copy of it. While everyone is on to something that could be a winner for the public, I am not seeing a logical jump to being able to prescribe for me, when you see once or twice a year....

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    1. How much physicians have studied about drugs and treatment that much even pharmacist have studied about diseases and diagnosis. So if pharmacist should not diagnose even physicians should not prescribe.

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  22. Going through the entire article and also the comments in agreement & also disagreement, now I have a very big question as to why the profession of pharmacy was started.
    Our entire Pharm D program consists of 5 years of studying about drug's pharmacology, adr events, etc etc.
    and last 1 year internship.
    So, after studying vigorously for entire 6 years about drugs we aren't suppose to prescribe.
    Now after reading the above comments I also agree that a physician has more information regarding a patients past medical history etc etc.
    But also a clinical pharmacist if at all employed in evry department of the hospital, even he has the same info about a patients history etc.
    So, now I have a question as to what are we suppose to do after vigorous years of studying about drugs, dispense you may say. I think any lay person can do that? (In India, any lay person sits in the pharmacy shop, reads the brand name and dispense)
    I feel pharmacy is the most underrated , not valued profession in the medical field.
    I suggest that atleast one clinical pharmacist should be employed in very department of the hospital & should be given a prescription rights.

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  23. I am a clinical pharmacist and not a physician. However, I spend most of the day advising providers regarding a wide range of medications. Providers are busy and sometimes they forget to order an ECG prior to adding a medication, or authorize that a patient receive 2 anticoagulants without a stop date for one. I need to have some medical knowledge in order to answer medical provider questions. That knowledge was provided through many years of training in medications and therapeutics. I have no desire to diagnose patients. My job is to make sure the medications are prescribed and monitored safely; which may include ordering an ECG or UA/C&S, CBC's etc. In addition when a patient who runs out of a medication that he or she has been taking for years should not have to spend hours in a emergency room. The sad truth is that most don't go to the emergency room for a refill, but end up in the ER because they didn't take their medication. There is no logic in how the system operates at this time. Providers now spend about 15 minutes with a patient. That's a crime!. Second year medical students have more prescribing authority than clinical pharmacists who have practiced in direct patient care for 20 plus years. If you take a look at how well pharmacists have done in the IHS since the 70's you will see that there is an enormous knowledge base that pharmacists have and should share as well as receive reimbursement. In addition I work with cardiologists who have no idea about his or her patient's cancer chemotherapy or HIV therapy because they have spent years in only one particular area of study. I am often asked to intervene when such complexities arise and feel comfortable doing so. My MD, NP's and PA's often appreciate the help! The answer as to " how to appropriately utilize pharmacist's" is not rocket science. If we all continue to work seperately and not collaboratively the number of patient's admitted to the ER because of inappropriate drug use/monitoring will continue and many of those poor souls who don't make it just may have if everyone worked to their full potential.

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  24. im an attending psychiatrist and am happy to pass the liability for medications (and the malpractice insurance cost) on to all pharmacists dispensing the meds.

    you know not what you ask for.

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  26. Ill tell you what, I work with hospitalized patients. I'll give you the diagnosis list of a patient I discharged today after a 17 day hospital stay from the ICU to Skilled. In turn, I ask that you prescribe the proper medications for this patient to go home on. I will send them back to your office in 1-3 days for hospital follow up and medication adjustment. Ready??
    Septic shock, healthcare-associated pneumonia, acute on chronic renal failure, severe COPD, chronic hypoxic hypercapnic respiratory failure, coronary artery disease of native vessel, type 2 diabetes not to goal,renovasular hypertension, hyperlipidemia, atrial fibrillation, OA, osteopenia, GERD, chronic pain from DDD and lumbar fusion, anemia of chronic disease, depression and BPH.
    GO!!
    No??
    Okay, same patient walks into your pharmacy in 1 week and says he thinks he has a UTI. Not voiding much, burns, dark and has bad odor. What do you do?

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  29. It is quite simple - the pharmacist is a random person who happens to be at the pharmacy when the patient comes in. There is no relationship with the patient. The patient hasn't selected you. And I don't want any pharmacist interfering with the course of therapy decided upon by ME and MY doctor.

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